Gibson Les Paul vintage guitar, owned by John
Miles
Serial number: 9 3182 Weight: 8.4.
This vintage Gibson Les Paul was likely made
around 1957/1959, and in 1975 was bought by a very young John Miles from the Orange
Music shop in Denmark Street, London. He purchased it with the money he received
from his hit record, Highfly.
John has been the sole owner of this guitar
since, and has used it for recording in studios, at live shows and on
albums.
Through the years this
guitar has been serviced -- for example, John had the machine heads changed for
Grover machine heads and has replaced the wires. The pickups were on the guitar
when John bought it. This is truly a player's guitar, to be used and not locked
up in a safe.
You can see John playing
this guitar with Joe Cocker on YouTube. Joe Cocker - Now That The Magic Has Gone (LIVE in Dortmund) HD
Comes with a letter from John Miles stating that
he owned and played the guitar since he purchased it in 1975. There has been no
other owner since
This cover is from 1976, the very same guitar!
John Miles Vocalist for Jimmy Page on the Outrider tour in 1988. youtu.be/5lWjo9lP6xI
FOR THE RECORD. I am not
a guitar dealer and I only acquired this guitar because I love the music of
John Miles (and others of course) and I believe him to be one of the world’s
finest guitarists.
When I
first put it up for sale a plethora of people came to view to buy
it.
They were
all dealers one offered me as little as £2,000 and told me that’s all it was
worth. However some of them really seemed to know their stuff , and some of those, thought the neck and serial number was original and genuine. Some of them
believed the body was that of a 1957 gold top which had been re-veneered by Dick
Knight with a tiger flame, burst finish which is what everyone wanted in the
1960s.and 70s. I now really don’t know the true beginnings of the guitar.
Everyone had a
different opinion, but I
do believe it’s a 50’s guitar. Someone even used my L.P photo and listed it
themselves with a provenance I have never even
seen
before.
I was
told that there are workshops all over the US, China and elsewhere knocking out
fake copies, some, almost impossible to detect.
It would
be good if people worldwide with old Les Paul guitars would list and log their
serial number with a photo on a forum somewhere. Wow, that
could really start something ! Unscrupulous dealers won’t like that. Nor will
people with a stolen guitar. I guess many would be scared to admit to buying a
fake although they would
probably, I
hope, have
recourse for a
refund. I guess ultimately it is the provenance for the guitar that is really
paramount to its value.
I also
believe that if someone changes the machine heads for superior quality
ones, it can
only make it a better guitar, right
?
All
the
nonsense about, its not
the original solder or toggle switch or connecting wire I believe is for the
money maker Cartels
that operate and collude. Much like, I believe the way some auction houses
operate.
I have
been reliably told by a classical musician “wood expert” that the type of tree
and the part of the tree used, and the shrinkage of the wood cells, over time
will make 59 Les Pauls all sound different, much like the wood used on say a
Stradivarius violin. The wood and craftsmanship being a major contribution to
the sound. Why doesn't anybody ever mention the wood? A short bit of wire from
the pickup inside, a resistor, or a plastic pick-up surround won’t make any
difference to the sound. Strange isn't it ? It’s the wood of the body, the neck
and the pickups where the major sound is created. Not to mention the player. I
think it true to say that if the wood is selected from the correct part of the
tree, not kiln dried, but stored and dried naturally, the instrument will sound
sweeter with age and bearing in mind the metal bridge on the guitar connects to
the wood body of the guitar, thus giving the guitar its resonance and sound.This
is translated by the pick-ups for amplification. Some pick-ups sound better than
others I guess. Good ears and the love of music will always identify this, but I
am no guitar expert, just a careful listener of
music.
“Me”, I
now don’t care if nobody buys this guitar, I will keep it. I have had so much
agg, but I can say with certainty that Mr Miles bought and owned this guitar
sometime in 1975 and it was with him and he recorded with it until 2008. I have
owned it ever since. I love the fact it is well used, maintained and a Players
guitar and not a pristine L.P guitar for a glass cabinet. That ain't Rock and
Roll, right ?
After all
the guff I hear on the net from dealers and some of the guess-work from couch
experts, I prefer to sell this guitar to a musician who can come to view with
his own Gibson expert, to examine and appraise the guitar. I am sick of dealers
wasting my time. Some are like vultures.
Treating
a Les Paul as a bank investment is like putting a Michael Angelo painting in a
vault for no one to see. I believe beautiful sounding instruments should be
played regularly
by
competent musicians and not wasted in a cupboard or to play just a few chords
on, or indeed
for
“showing off”. I also personally think they are not a very good investment any
more, unless they have impeccable provenance.
SO, I am
sorry if I may
have
made any incorrect assumptions. As for
Johns guitar, I wonder now who can truly value it. I certainly can’t and I don't
feel I can trust anybody any more. Can you blame me. That said and above all. Music will always be my first love.
Question
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: I think if it was my guitar,
and I wanted to sell it, and because it is not a cheap guitar, I would put extra
work in to authenticate its history. As you are well aware of, letters can be
faked, and by due respect buyers are going by your word. John Miles is still
alive, I would try my best to contact him, which is most certainly doable, and
to have this guitar, I'm sure he'd respond, no doubt. Find out more about it
from reputable experts. I would even contact Gibson, visit the states, etc. But
that's me. Would be an interesting project indeed! I guess this is all dependant
on how much you want to sell it, etc. I wish you luck. |
27-Mar-16 |
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Thank you that's very kind of you. I
have two letters, one from John and one from his management. I will get them
updated and try to work on Gibson. Best wishes Diana |
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almost certainly a fake
seriel number. This is a 68 model not a 59 and has been up for sale
before |
26-Mar-16 |
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Thanks but its not a 68. The letter
which was put up on the net did not come with this guitar. Please go back and do
your own detective work, don't just follow others. Best wishes and thank
you. |
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Hi, There seems to be quite
the mystery on this serial number: pic/category/1234 Probably a good idea
to find out for sure if what you have is what it is supposed to be. Best
regards. |
26-Mar-16 |
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Thank you. Will update every one
soon. |
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26-Mar-16 |
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Thank you, I did take a look. It is
the same guitar, I first put it up years ago the photo's were bad, these new
ones are much better. The letter in the video must be for another guitar nothing
to do with this one. I was told it was a 1957 from another eBayer and to take it
off ebay as it had the same serial number as another guitar which a dealer was
about to sell. All the best. |
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forums/ebay-deals/109798-gibson-les-paul-standard-guitar-1957-john-miles-owned.html
Scroll down, pictures look similar to this item; wear on the headstock back,
black stop bar posts. |
26-Mar-16 |
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Yes they are my old photo's, its the
same guitar but the letter isn't mine, that must be with a different Les Paul,
who ever put it up, mixed them up. I listed this guitar years back and put up
the serial number for all to view, which upset some dealers. One called and
asked me to take it down as it may spoil the sale of another Les Paul with the
same serial number. He said mine was a 1957 without viewing it, I can see now
that the other guitar has a lot of problems. Shorty I will update the current
situation with an overview. Thanks for your interest. |
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Hi there, I'm interested. The serial number
on that guitar indicates it was the last 59 Les Paul that was ever produced and
would make it rather unique. Has this guitar ever been authenticated by Gruhn ?.
Kind Regards Ben.
Interesting. Thanks.
Not by Gruhn, I believe they are in the US, I may take a trip to see them
later this year, I can see they are the best.
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